Hello - Will you provide some pointers if there is a difference in sound or construction quality between a Big R badge dynasonic versus an oval (script) badge dynasonic. I am thinking of buying one but on ebay there is a material price difference between a Cleveland era dyna versus a late 70s dyna.

So my drums span to when Rogers shut down. Vater Vic Firth Warner Brother. That would place it about.

But is it only because of collection value or there are tangible sound differences. Also what about a 70s script (oval) badge dynasonic versus a mid 70s Big R. Did the sound of dyna evolve over 60s and 70s? The answer to your primary question must be no. One is not necessarily better than the other. I currently own 15 Rogers Dyna-Sonic snare drums.

The earliest is unplayable. The lugs are cracked. That drum is a 1961 first generation Dyna. The 170th drum to wear the badge. Hard to argue that drum being a Covington built drum is better than a Big R period drum that has never failed. So my drums span 1961 to 1984 when Rogers shut down. There are numerous variations in lug weight, build changes, throw off design, hoop variations, hoop design changes, but over all.

It is one and the same drum. However, a 1964 drum is not going to sound exactly like a 1984 drum. They will be similar. This would be true of any snare drum built over a couple of decades. The same would be true comparing an early Ludalloy Supraphonic through the years with drums from different time periods. Even though they are essentially the same drum.

If you decide to go with an oval badge drum, you might pay a little more. In August I purchased an excellent condition 1964 Seven Line Dyna-Sonic for 300.00. A week ago, I purchased an excellent condition 1975 first issue Big R for 200,00. Both of those were excellent prices on drums that should have sold right around 500 and 375 respectively.

Sound quality from any year is going to be stellar. There are no dogs to bark. Quality of build is not a problem on this drum, over the entirety of its 23 year life span. I could be perfectly happy sitting down to any of the drums I own without reservation for how it will perform, or sound, or function. 1964 Seven Line 5x14. Seven Line, Beavertail Lug drums will be found between Serial numbers 2800-11000. Give or take a few numbers.

High quality. This is the golden age. These drums represent the years 1963-to 1967. This is the Cleveland Paper Tag period. 1966 is when Rogers was purchased by CBS Musical Instruments. 1967 begins the Dayton Ohio paper tag era. 1968-1972, Drums from approx.

11000- upper 30000 range. Five line COB shells, Dayton, early Fullerton era. Changes to lugs, (lighter casting) There are differences you can see, and some you have to disassemble to see, but overall, the same high quality drums. This drum, 1968 Badge number -1975 Fullerton Ca. Drums from upper 30000 to approx. Lug changes, Bottom hoop changes, frame change.

This drum, 1975. Badge Number 53004.

1975 seen the introduction of the Big R badge. Initial drums were built on Oval badge shells remaining in stock prior to delivery of new shells with the design modifications for the new Badge.

This drum is one of those first issued Big R drums. Drums continued to be built to the end in 1984. There is a brief period where the Rogers Drums USA badge does not have a serial number.

1979-81, perhaps a year and a half. For the Big R USA period of Rogers drums, 1975-84, ALL Big R badges will look like this.. Even those without serial numbers. Will always have USA on the Badge. If USA is not on the badge, then it is not USA Big R Rogers.

Also to confirm Roger Big R badge dynasonics do not have dynasonic written on their badge. Is that correct? Will SuperTen snares which came in the same era will ever have a cross sectional snare bed/bar as dynasonics?

Reason I ask is that both are chrome over metal so hard to say from photos if they are brass or steel. Everything posted above are Dyna-Sonic.. This is a SuperTen from the Big R era.

SuperTen from the oval badge era will have an Oval Badge stating SuperTen. Sin City Movie Free Download In Hindi. The difference in the shell is obvious. No lines on the steel shell SuperTen.

Interior Paint for Vintage Drums A big topic amongst vintage collectors and drum restorers is why many of the major drum companies painted the interiors of their drum shells. One of the biggest question is if they did it for the sound.

My opinion is it was never a sound issue but a way to cut corners. Basically it would take less time to make the interior as nice as the exterior and also it was a way to cover up imperfections in the ply material. This saved time and money and allowed them to build drums faster. So, can we now say that the interior of a drum is affected by the interior finish?

I would say yes, but the sound to most ears is probably not that noticeable. So, the question to a vintage historian and a vintage collector is will the drum value change if they repaint the interiors of vintage drums. The answer of course is multi faceted, but in general as soon as you alter an original vintage drum then it lowers the value. So when is it a OK?

Well, the debate has raged on in many forums and there are two sides that will fight this until the sun goes down, but if you have a set of drums, they are your drums and you can do whatever you want to do to them. So, if they are really beat up, been altered, painted over or if you are taking orphan drum shells and trying to make a complete matching kit then it is time to start painting!

The next thing to figure out is what paint to use for the drums you have. Ludwig White Interiors - Benjamin Moore Regal Semi Gloss Finish N333 (Formerly - Benjamin Moore Aqua Glo White) Just to make it very clear, with Ludwig drums there are transition shells that might not fit these dates with a different ply make-up. Also, on drums with wood finished exteriors that were lacquered then the exterior ply would normally be maple. This is not an exact science and the cross over drums between changes add a twist to the history of Ludwig. Ludwig Shells Basic shell information 3-Ply Shells Shell Material Interior 1960 Mahogany/Poplar/Mahogany Clear Lacquer 1961-1967?

White Paint 1968 Switched to clear interiors and also the baseball bat mufflers Maple/Poplar/Maple Clear Interior 1976 3ply shells switched to 6 ply shells some time in 1976-77 Ludwig Date Stamps Date stamping started around 1956 with larger numbers and letters in red ink, then in 1961-1962 stampings were still red, but with slightly smaller characters. In 1963 shells can be found with red or black ink stamps.

(Rob Cook) Gretsch Silver Interiors - Galvanized Fence Paint Just like Ludwig, Gretsch had transition times when shells are used up or sealer was added. So there are exceptions to the below timeline. This is not an exact science and the dates can be challenged by these anomalies. Gretsch Shells Basic shell information Shell Material Interior Pre Mid 50's 3-ply shells Clear 1957, 58 -? Jaspar Shells 6-ply Silver Sealer Gretsch Paper Tags There has been a lot of discussion about this and some contradicting information. But the general consencus is that the paper tags started some time around 1962 or 1963.

Spyshelter Firewall Seriale. Slingerland Tan Interiors - It was generally sprayed on, with thickness varying quite a bit from so thin as to be barely noticeable to so thick as to be completely opaque. Due to this thickness variation the appearance and shading of weak chocolate varied also. DrCJW Paint configuration coming soon.

We already have an extensive history section about the shells and ply-configuration on Slingerland Drums by DrCJW. All of this info comes from the forum and post by DrCJW. The tan interiors were from 1966-1970. Click here to visit the Slingerland Stamps Slingerland used standard off-the-shelf rubber date stamps. This particular one, still available today, has rubber wheels with selectable date in month-day-year format, such as JUN 15 1966.

The day wheels both contain an X character. If the guy in the shell room decided to include the day in the stamp, he did. If he didn't care about the day, he might just use the X. Or he might use the dash -, which is also standard on the wheel, and which we also often see on 60's Slingerland shell interiors. Taken from DrCJW post on.

Gray - White Special note: Wood Dynasonic snare drums, from the first one in 1963 up to when they were discontinued in 1973. (although Rogers came out with the NEW wooden XP8 series Dynasonics in the early 80's which were all maple with NATURAL ineriors, no paint ). Were NEVER painted on the inside. The very first wood Dynasonics were said to be based/built on the 'Holiday' model shell, thus they were 3 ply shells with 3 ply rings.

But no paint. The inner plies were stained with what Rogers called a 'Fruitwood' stain. Later wooden Dynasonics after serial #7500, were now 5 ply shells and 5 ply rings. The interior ply was natural maple featuring beautiful finish grade wood. It was left natural, and received a coat of clear lacquer. Wood Powertone snare drums never had the 'flat grey' paint but instead featured a 'glossy gray' on their interiors.

Of interest is that the Tower and the Luxor model snare drums shared the same shell as the Powertone, but received 'flat gray' on the interiors, not glossy! Some Rogers Info from a TommyP post. The OHIO built Rogers drums from 1964 on are the ones that are most sought after, ( sizes aside ) and those will INCLUDE both Cleveland and Dayton. The main reasons are the attention and pride given to QUALITY at this point in the company's history, and the fact that the shells themselves were old growth and very dense.

Couple that with the HEAVY cast Beavertail lugs and nice quality hoops, and you have a smokin' sounding/playing drum kit. The Swivo-Matic hardware speaks for itself, as well as being very heavily copied by EVERYBODY and their brother! The Fullerton built Rogers, while still being Rogers!, did start to suffer in the 'quality' department.

Not right away, but pretty quickly. The switch to lighter cast metal, and cast versus machined hardware/mounts also contributed.

The NEW trunk paint sprayed on the interiors of the shells wasn't as dense as the old flat grey, and that combined with slightly lesser quality/lighter wood shells, also factors into a slightly different sound to the drums themselves. Again, still pretty nice, but nowhere near as cherished as the older '64 to '68 Rogers drums. And these are the ones that always seem to have the BEST resale as well as collectible value. Sound is a given. They're Rogers!